Would having phone lovemaking with my bf be a sin? Power to Switch

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I'm dating a very good Christian dude who is in a different country from where I am now. While waiting to get married in a few years time, we still need maintain our proximity and so he suggested that we have hook-up on the phone. I truly see the need to be intimate since he is no ordinary masculine friend. I've been asking about this suggestion and I was wondering if it's a sin? It's hookup, whether on the phone or anywhere else. He thinks it only becomes a sin when we have physical contact. What do you think? If it's a sin, what do you suggest we do to keep our relationship intimate while waiting?

Advice: You do well to wonder about what this so-called Christian stud wants of you in the way of “proximity”! Jesus said that if a man lusts after a woman, he commits adultery in his heart with her. This hookup by phone fits that description–and it will be true of you too. God's Word tells His people, “Keep yourself unspoiled” (1 Timothy Five:22). If you engage in this kind of behavior, there's no way you can keep yourself unspoiled.

You call this dude “a very good Christian stud”. Well, in view of what he wants he is neither good nor Christian. Basically he wants you to do for him what Internet hookers do for guys! And if you went along with him, you would be defiled and cheapened – and fall away from the Lord.

Proximity of the kind spoken of here should be reserved for married couples. Rather than give you advice on how you can stay “intimate” and together with this man, I truly think the Lord would have you break off with him and his bad influence entirely. If you know and love the Lord, I believe He would want you to ultimately marry a truly good and decent Christian who is following Him and living His way.

I'm begging for you. Look to Jesus, and obey Him, dear!

In His love, Dr. Muriel

thirty three Responses to “Would having phone lovemaking with my bf be a sin?”

Carole, you are so right on with your understanding of the promises you made in your wedding ceremony and I thank you for speaking it out. Tim Keller pointed out that in traditional Christian wedding, each spouse is asked something like “Will you have this woman/man to be your wifey/spouse and promise to live with her/him. and cherish her/him, according to the ordinance of God, in the holy bond of marriage?”

Each spouse answers “I will” making a vow to God before they turn to one another and say something like “I take you to be my lawful and wedded wifey/hubby, and I do promise and covenant, before God and these witnesses, to be your loving and faithful hubby/wifey. ”

So the covenant with and before God strengthens the fucking partners to make a covenant with each other. Marriage is therefore the deepest of human relationships, far more intimate and private than a merely legal, business relationship; it is far more durable, tying, and unconditional than one based on just feelings and affection.

My 2nd hubby and I are celebrating our 2nd anniversary today and we feel what makes us man and wifey is the promises we made before God in our wedding ceremony. Yes we have a license but that is for governmental purposes. Our life revolves around God and our Church as that is where we met and fell in love. God put us together and it was the right thing to do.

I have but one last thing to say in light of all that I've said before as I consider her statements but they have determined to wait toget married since that is the case I reserve the scripture States marriage should be honored by all and the marriage bed undefiled and that God will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral.therefore what I am stating is this that if you can get married get married if you desire to be with that person and of course or at the adequate age to make such a decision and are ready to make a lifelong commitment. If you still have doubts concerning the relationship and confusion concerning one another if you have not truly gotten to know this person and cannot see yourself is being wholly and solely committed to them then you should refrain from all sexual activity. there's no need to be liberate with your sexualality that would be sexually immoral and sin in the glance of God. if you have fallen into temptation and sin repent and seek God for restoration. reminisce God said that he is married to the backslider if you have backslidden and falling into temptation and sin through the zeal of your skin seek counsel of God and seek him and acknowledge your sin before him. God loves us and cares deeply for us I think it is good that this woman has brought this out for she is willing to step into the light and it is written he who comes into the light comes into the light that he may demonstrate that his works are done in God it also proves and shows right that we should be improved when we come into the light for all of us have sinned and come brief of the glory of God and Jesus said anyone who buys in me shall bring forward fruit and a father should I prune them that they may bring forward more fruit.keep God very first place trust his word and his wisdom he is faithful to his word may God bless all who read read may we all meditate on his truth and that we made no that which is good and pleasing and flawless will of God for our lives individually and corporately as his figure his betrothed his churc in Christ Jesus our lord.

I want to say that if we want to sincerely guide lead correct chastise love and grace demonstrate Grace to persons that are in situations such as these that I think it would be wise to go a little deeper ask more questions and prayerfully give answers through scripture.scripture shows that it is better to marry than to burn with passion. so to directly state that this youthfull man is not a good Christian because he has those passions alive in him and excited in him I think is an unfair statement unless we know a little more about this person. I think much of what US Christians are tending to do is witnessing the evil that is in this world we are becoming callous instead of patient genuinely loving and merciful and kind we have a tendency to leap straight to the evil that might be there when there may be no evil there at all let us be wise and walk in the day even as Christ would have us. is written if you see a man and a fault or sin that lead us not into this you who are spiritual Go and display them their fault guarding yourself that you fall not into similar temptation yourself. I think it would have been wise to ask this dear child of God her age how long they been dating why it is they may not be ready to marry at this time with this information we can further make judgement concerning the situation I think it is commendable that she sought out Godly counsel we must guard ourselves knowing that we too have been tempted and that our faith has been attempted.I believe at the good doctor who replied to this woman very first may we examine his treatment and I hope that he she does well to do so reminisce yourself at a youthfull age if it be so that they are youthful but also reminisce yourself even now.

just desired to say that I made some typos or errors I hope that you could read past those and my last post one place I said If instead of as and other such grammatical errors and I cannot go back and make the switches I apologize once again

I would like to say that I have had trouble with the subject myself. I met a beautiful lady online and I fell in love with and we both believe that God ordained downright and totally. I say and believe that in accordance with scripture this is in line with the truth. That this is a private relationship matter inbetween God and the duo and those God relates these matters such as the family members and those who are nearest to the two.mini persons speaking on biblical things I want to put everything in Black and White or should I rather say from a legalistic standpoint.the Holiness is black and white let's look at some circumstances in the Bible the fellows of David We Were Soldiers went into the temple and ate the showbread and as it is written they were counted Guiltless. scripture also states do not be overly righteous in any good thing and also not to be overly Wicked. Understanding of that scripture says overly stringent righteous standings are not necessarily righteous and sometimes you may blur the lines and still be righteous. I'm not telling to commit unrighteous acts with a person. and we are to honor marriage in every aspect in life. for those who have committed themselves to one another and truly believe in their hearts and minds and are committed indeed yet find themselves in a situation we're a physical ceremony cannot take place who is another to judge but God again I say take it to the Lord in prayer I believe it is based upon each individual situation and God ultimately is the judge. as far as a youthfull gentleman being good or bad Christian in truth of the scripture is there any such thing as a bad Christian Jesus himself said make the tree good and the fruit she'll be good also. Youthful dudes make mistakes I do not condone that a man should not consider his ways before the Lord even if scripture says how can a youthful man purify his way by taking heed to the word of God.for you who have judged this man in such a manner I say judge not lest you be judged when the same measure that you judge so shall it be judged unto you. for he who stands in Judgment of another stand in Judgment of the law and there is one judge and one lawgiver and if you stand in Judgment of the law you break the law as it is written God have grace and bring you to repentance.

Actually, it is in the Bible–in so many words. In Matthew 6, Jesus tells us that enthusiasm for someone other than your spouse is the same as adultery, thus violating the 7th commandment. Have you ever looked at a person with passion George?

Yes. Of course it's a sin. It says right in the bible about phone hook-up! Read your bible

to Alan thank you for your react to RG good comment– sharon

Response TO RG…we can be forgiven ONLY if we are sorry for our sins and determine to switch our behavior. God' s grace is not for those who want to play with Him,displaying no respect for His commandments.and the 2nd thing is…Jesus said: ” The Father and I are ONE”. And also: ” if you spotted the Son, you spotted the Father”. So, of course they are one.Jesus Himself says that. Witness out, your ideas are those of the Jeovha witnesses who do not consider Christ a true God like the Father and so they are NOT real Christians.

teja….from a biblical perspective, if that would be helpful for you, i understand a marriage to be two people who commit to each other for life in living together in love inbetween themselves and the descendents God would give them. this commitment would be made in a public style for their entire community to know about….genesis Two.24 to 26, genesis 24, john Two, hebrews 13.Four, matthew Nineteen, deuteronomy 24, malachi Two.

Hi Teja, That is an significant question isn't it? God does not give specific instructions in the Bible to address what constitutes a decent wedding, but it always affirms the cultural norm by which a society recognizes a marriage. So we can see Abraham and Isaac following a cultural process in Isaac's union with Rebekah, where Isaac brought Rebekah into his mother's tent and she became his wifey (Genesis 24:62-67). In their son, Jacob's case, there was a more elaborate ceremony including a feast and a presentation of the bride by her father (Genesis 29:20-22). The marriage inbetween Ruth and Boaz is more complicated because of the cultural norms of their day including a proposal, witnesses, and contracts (Ruth 3-4). By the time we get to Jesus' day, we see that the Jewish wedding had become much more prolonged process. Jesus participated in a wedding at Cana (John Two:1-11) used the imagery of weddings in His parables (Matthew 22:2-14, Luke 14:16-24) and we have record of the Jewish marriage traditions of the time of Jesus (http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/related-topics/the-jewish-wedding-analogy.html) We even have some information about wedding traditions in the Persian Empire through the account of Esther (Esther Two)

I think in the absence of any specifics in the Bible of what constitutes a wedding, and an affirmation of the marriages that followed the culturally recognized weddings, it is best to affirm that a duo is considered married when they go after through with what the culture they live in considers marriage. I would suggest that the ceremony recognize the authority of God over the marriage and avoid the idolize of other deities as a part of the ceremony, but when the culture considers someone married, so does God.

I have been asked this question before from youthful people who either are sexually active or wish to become sexually intimate with one another prior to their wedding ceremony. My response to them is that there is superb significance in the wedding ceremony and the approval of the community to which they belong. Putting aside your physical proximity until your union is officially recognized by society is a valuable process. The time of prep for the wedding is a valuable time to concentrate on your emotional connection and commitment to one another which will be a far stronger uniter than your physical closeness.

Does that response your question Teja?

When will god consider a man and woman are married??

I agree with the way Dr. Muriel Larson covers this topic. Yet, since it has been years since this blog commenced; have these two youthful people not been able to get married yet?

I found it interesting and explanatory what Andrew (July 2011) says: “there is a physical chemical attraction released when any type of hookup that occurs with phone hookup, cam hookup, petting and intercourse which feels fine when the act is occurring. The high wears off however and on to the next arousing thing. With people of non-faith and faith there is an tremendous sense of closeness that occurs when any type of hookup is involved because there is a chemical release which is more powerful than drugs which is why it is dangerous to do this type of hook-up or any type.”

My feeling is that the sooner they get married the better; and that getting each other sexually sexually aroused while on the phone is NOT a good thing to do! If this duo is not planning on getting married for several years, they are much better off growing their relationship, getting to know one another better and being friends.

Marriage vows are recorded in heaven, and hook-up as ordained by God is a very beautiful thing for a married duo, entire having lovemaking outside of that is asking for trouble. Blessings, Alfred.

Hookup via phone is unlikely.

Phone uses electromagnetic pulses only.

If he is your bf or spouse you should talk with each other About ththis.

And ultimately, i see you don't have genuine relationship, if you had fair relationship you would ask him,not some random person on the web.

I garuantee majority of the commenters; lost their virginity before Marriage, but its okay. God will forgive them. I dislike nothing more than a hypocrite. Its sad to see that most religious people are the worst at sinning. Why? Because they usually have something to hide.

Very first I think it's s beautiful thing that you are striving to live your life by got principles. Afterall, who better than to direct our steps than our designer? Isaiah 48:17,Legitimate. I being a single Christian have struggled with phone hook-up, I'm 30. Still haven't found the right man- fall in to sin. Do I believe that God keeps account of the injury ? Absolutely not . If he can forgive king David , or Manasseh , he can most certainly forgive you. Jesus died for our sins, we our insulting his father if we think the ransom his father Jehovah gave – Jesus very life wouldn't be big enough to cover our mistakes . Not that we would take advantage of His grace .but the very fact the you care to please your Heavenly Father , I'm very sure heats his heart, and he will help you please him – through ur veritable prayers. On to my next point- that I feel needs to be cleared. Gods name is Jehovah. Yes Jehovah is Jesus father – they are not one . He came down to earth to vindicate his fathers name. He pleaded to his father . Never once were we told to beg to Jesus . He always directed glory to his father Jehovah. He wished his name sanctified. Unluckily , imitation Christians – imposters- came in and eliminated Jehovah's name from the bible some seven thousand times . And substituted it with lord. God. Confusing everyone . Yes we need to give glory to Jesus- but ultimately we are to plead to the creator or heaven and earth. We need to plead and get to know Jehovah. Learn about Him! He exposes through his word the bible – a hope for the future. Psalms 37,11,29 think about the Lord's Prayer . Let your will take place on earth as it is in heaven. His will for the earth is for humans to be flawless and have ever lasting life to see our dead loved ones again, healthy and youthfull . No sickness anguish or death . Revalation 21:Three,Four. Jesus begged to Jehovah his father so many times in the bible. He wasn't asking to himself. 🙂

Thank you for both od your responses, as you seek His grace.

Yes I think by know already that it's not a add in. No man or women us flawless, that's why god died for us.our sins to be forgiven because he knows no one is ideal.and if you indeed want as one. Advice call me lets talk about this ok. Call me asap at [it is our policy not to publish private contact information]

1 Corinthians 7

Concerning Married Life

7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” two But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wifey, and each woman with her own spouse. Three The spouse should fulfill his marital duty to his wifey, and likewise the wifey to her hubby. Four The wifey does not have authority over her own figure but yields it to her hubby. In the same way, the spouse does not have authority over his own assets but yields it to his wifey. Five Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Six I say this as a concession, not as a directive. Seven I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own bounty from God; one has this bounty, another has that.

8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. Nine But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Ten To the married I give this guideline (not I, but the Lord): A wifey must not separate from her hubby. Eleven But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her hubby. And a spouse must not divorce his wifey.

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wifey who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. Thirteen And if a woman has a hubby who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. Fourteen For the unbelieving spouse has been sanctified through his wifey, and the unbelieving wifey has been sanctified through her believing hubby. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not corded in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. Sixteen How do you know, wifey, whether you will save your hubby? Or, how do you know, spouse, whether you will save your wifey?

Concerning Switch of Status

17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Eighteen Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Nineteen Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s instructions is what counts. Twenty Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

21 Were you a victim when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can build up your freedom, do so. Twenty two For the one who was a marionette when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s liberated person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s victim. Twenty three You were bought at a price; do not become victims of human beings. Twenty four Brothers and sisters, each person, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

Concerning the Unmarried

25 Now about virgins: I have no directive from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s grace is trustworthy. Twenty six Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. Twenty seven Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wifey. Twenty eight But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a cherry marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29 What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is brief. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; thirty those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are blessed, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; thirty one those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is worried about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. Thirty three But a married man is worried about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— thirty four and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or cherry is worried about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be loyal to the Lord in both figure and spirit. But a married woman is worried about the affairs of this world—how she can please her hubby. Thirty five I am telling this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided allegiance to the Lord.

36 If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the cherry he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong[b] and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. Thirty seven But the man who has lodged the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. Thirty eight So then, he who marries the cherry does right, but he who does not marry her does better.[c]

39 A woman is tied to her hubby as long as he lives. But if her hubby dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. Forty In my judgment, she is more satisfied if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

Good to hear back from you! I find myself nodding in agreement with your post. At age 30, I don't think I'm that far beyond your generation, and I undoubtedly agree that I would have been very grateful to receive some good godly advice about my marriage. To know more about the meaning and design of marriage, and the beauty of marriage and hook-up, and God's purposes in sanctifying us, certainly would have been a good help.

Do you have any particular books or resources that you've found useful?

Grace and peace,

Thank you for your follow-up post. I think Jesus does give us guidance to herd us like sheep. I don't think Jesus's intentions are controlling or evil.

I think life is mushy and sometimes there needs to be care taken in providing blanket advice. Some of the advice given earlier in this post included violating up with the “good dude,” which I think is best left to the discretion of the youthfull lady in the relationship, and even is an aggressive suggestion without more information. I think it’s pretty honorable that she brought forward this question. The youthful man sounds like he waited for her to a certain degree also, so that she wasn't doing anything she was awkward with.

Is hook-up before marriage a sin? Absolutely. But what is the adequate response to that sin? Marriage or separation?

I think our culture encourages my generation to wait for marriage before waiting for hookup. My thought is that it’s hard to judge a relationship online, but I find it discouraging when the church uses “Christian rhetoric” to severe couples that just need guidance and perhaps some encouragement to get married if there is mutual serious commitment.

Thank you so much for your input. You brought up a strong point when you said, “If he was just a very good stud I would have a different thought, but a very good Christian man means to me he is taut with Jesus. I can’t see Jesus asking for phone hook-up.”

The way I see it, the Lord gives us rules and the law to guide us, not to restrict us. Like sheep, we are all prone to wander and we will get into trouble! We need our good shepherd to keep us in safe pastures, to care for our needs, which undoubtedly include bodily needs, so we have to wait on Him and trust Him. He will not lead astray, and He will never contradict Himself, so reading the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit is key.

What do you think?

Grace and peace,

I think Christians get way out of touch by reading the letter of the law and not the spirit. And frankly not even the letter sometimes. How many Christians read their Bible's let alone have read it entirely to get the utter context to understand the spirit and the letter of what is written to us. Lovemaking. It's a wonderful thing. I recall reading in the old testimanent that a man was to marry a woman if he seduced her if the father permited. And if the father did not find the youthfull man worthy of his daughter he was to pay a fine determined by the father instead. I find that interesting. Ronald Reagan I was told had hookup before he got married I don't think he is going to hell. But he married her! And they had a very sweet relationship. One of my beloved quotes from him was written from Camp David while his wifey was in Washington. “I miss you even when I sleep.” It was in a letter to Nancy. And they were married til his death. Not everything is black and white. People get on “righteous” tangents on what you should be doing with your life. I mean honestly you embarked off your post with “a very good Christian dude.” If he was just a very good stud. I would have a different thought, but a very good Christian stud means to me he is taut with Jesus. I can't see Jesus asking for phone hookup. On that same note Jesus also didn't get married because of his commitment to live God's word. With that in mind where do you fall. Are you going to marry him? Did you? Are you going to be a nun for Jesus? Most likely not. At the end of the day your salvtion is not on the line. Romans Ten:9-10 you are saved if you believe and confess. Otherwise we are living under the old testemant and aren't truly “children” of God with incoruptable seed. Birth is permanent. None the less you will have to stand before God to be judged for your works. You wont liberate your salvation but you will be rewarded for not for everlasting consequences. I believe Jesus will talk to you if you beg.

We won't edit or delete your comment Max. You are entitled to your own opinions and as long as we can respect one another it's fine to disagree.

I think the significant thing to reminisce is that this gal had specifically asked for advice regarding this relationship with a Christian fellow that was asking for this and I would agree that it wouldn't be healthy to have these kinds of phone calls with him. They would only result in physical frustration on both completes of the phone call. When our minds engage in phone hookup our figures go after. Much like looking at pornography, we begin to train our bods to react a certain way which is not necessarily healthy for our relationship as it grows.

If this duo is not planning on getting married for several years, they are much better off growing their relationship, getting to know one another better and being friends. An excellent movie that explains more about this can be found here http://powertochange.com/itv/family/preparing-for-marriage/

So I don't know if this will be deleted or not, but I think that is the worst advice ever. It is enormously unfortunate that you can't get married right now, but if you have made that commitment in your hearts then there's no reason not to engage in phone hook-up. Marriage happens in your heart and through god before anything else and if you guys have passed that point then I wouldn't let people who are ALREADY MARRIED tell you what you can and can't do. However, there's lots of differing opinions out there and I understand if you determine that it is a sin despite your commitment to each other. But don't throw that commitment away just because he asked for something. Relationships aren't about leaving as soon as something weird happens and everyone is raised in a different environment. As long as he respects any decision you make and doesn't attempt to worm his way into getting you to do it there is NO REASON to leave him. Jesus is understanding and you aim to be understanding too.

I have to agree Emmanuel…as the author says it so well, Closeness of the kind spoken of here should be reserved for married couples.

it is A seen, its is, no dobout on that The Holy Sprities hprove this in every ones heart. The problem with us to day is that we wnat every that we cana call seen to be moere cralified in the Bible, forgrtting that Jesus said the Holy Spirit will train us every thing and wil tell us the other thing which are no well know to us.

I want to you that the Holly Spirite and our Consiouce will stand to Judge us becouse we can not deceve ourselves,.

Phone Hook-up IT IS A sin.

AJ I very doubt you have ever opened up the Bible and read the truths that were inwards the book as your thoughts are pretty much what Jesus fought against with the Pharisees in the Bible. Hopefully you will find the courage to read the words and find out what a Pharisee is. Attempt to dispute the fairy tails that you say are untrue. You seem to be pretty intelligent and I challenge you to prove me wrong as many have attempted and failed.

Your logic is severely flawed as according to your thinking as long as the law says it is ok to do it then it is fine to so even if a fairy tail book says it is not right. The question is what happens when the law switches as the morality of people are switching. Very first the law said that to be married you needed to have a certificate, then the law switched to living common law is the same as being married, now it is switching to being married to a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Then it will proceed as the perverse society we live will keep on switching the boundaries. This will not be good enough because the thrill of the same hookup wears off so then we will want to switch the laws to have hookup with children and proceed the downward slope. This is what occurred with the Romans as there society collapsed under their perverse ways.

Many secular lovemaking psychologists who don't believe in Christ or the Bible say there is a physical chemical attraction released when any type of hook-up that occurs with phone lovemaking, cam hook-up, petting and intercourse which feels fine when the act is occurring. The high wears off tho’ and on to the next titillating thing. With people of non faith and faith there is an terrific sense of closeness that occurs when any type of hook-up is involved because there is a chemical release which is more powerful than drugs which is why it is dangerous to do this type of hook-up or any type. There is a reason why there is a billion dollar porn hookup industry and recently in an article in an England online newspaper they estimated that 1.Trio million hookup maniacs were incapable to break the habit of porn. This resulted in a secular psychologists setting up an online psychologist center to help people break this habit as they do not have to give there names.

Christians mistakenly leave Christ at the door after they get married and after a year of hook-up they find it not fulfilling any longer as they have forgotten to have Christ in the relationship. Then they lose there way and divorce and turn to the same hook-up for physical satisfaction when this is not longer satisfying they find another titillating thing to deprave there perverted mind. Hook-up is an enormously beautiful thing however our culture and society has perverted it in such a manner that people of faith believe the lies that that the media spreads.

Lovemaking outside of marriage demolishes because the more you have it the more you want it and the stiffer it is to get out of the trap as lovemaking becomes zeal not love and fervor wears out. King David had lovemaking with Bathsheba as he lusted after her, King Solomon had a harem and both lives were demolished. If you don't believe in proven history of these two guys. Most recently Ryan Giggs the famous England soccer player who slept with his brothers wifey before she got married to him got her pregnant and the week before her wedding gave her money for an abortion. The perverse continued as during his marriage he slept with his brothers wifey till and attempted to hide it via a court order till a plucky parliamentary MP exposed the lies and the perverted man that he was. There was much much more that occurred as a secular world knows it is wrong but it embarked with thought life. There are many other stories for others who comment on the blog regarding it is OK take serious look at how hook-up demolishes lives and I believe that if you explore the Bible you will agree with the interpretation of the Bible.

In all honesty, theres most likely some fairly good advice on here if your considering stealing or murdering somebody. But sexual desire is natural, do what you feel comfy with and no more provided your inwards the law of course. If your glad to have phone hook-up with your beau, crack right on and don't let some quotes from an ancient and frankly third forearm account storybook make you feel guilty!

Jessica, i truly sympathise with your freinds but i will tell you its truly christian and good to wait until marriage, no other way about it, whether physical or spoken. Hook-up is reserved for married couples, but one mistake christians make is not to regard it as a Bounty from God, that the engange in it in what they thing is a christian way and thing being explicit is worldly yet they hanker for the worldly ways and end up cheating their fucking partners and result in divorces. what i will tell you is, what ever these people sought where ever they went they already had it all in their marriges, free for them to take. We have it gifted to us in the confinement of marriage, what ever satisfaction they sought from extramalital or gay relationships, is already gifted to us in marriage, what i will tell my christian freinds is to stop pretending not to want more and embrace this bounty (as in the book of Solomon)within our marriages and will shall never want, be open with our playmates and experiment in the explicit ways we think are worldly and our marriages will be rock solid. this looks like a petite element of marriage but tho’ puny if it fails it wrecks the marriage. Lets trust our father who provides our needs, knows what we want and gives us good and right gifts to meet the needs.

I disagree with this… marriage in the “old days” around one hundred BC was not what it is today. God knows if you truly in your heart love and plan to marry this person. If unspoiled meaning that you are with this person for the rest of your life I think it is ideally fine… not to have hook-up but to speak of it. Because weddings today are government not God. Making a promise to God to Marry is serious tho’ so do not go into phone hook-up thinking if you break up you can just beg and stir on. But if it's the one… and you just dont have the money…. or the place to marry that's not marriage in God's eyes.

I don't know that I totally understand this. See, when I was a kid growing up in church, there was always that stigma of “lovemaking is only for marriage”…so a excellent number of my friends waited until marriage. They didn't date traditionally, but “courted”, which meant sitting next to each other in church, or going on group dates but never truly being alone because they didn't want to tempt themselves.. A good number of them married youthful, and seemed soooo glad and sooo in love.

And now they're ALL divorced. Some are very disillusioned; see they thought that if they followed all the rules they have been trained, everything would work out.

Most of my friends are atheists now, and some later on determined that a homosexual lifestyle would make them more satisfied.

They were doing everything they were supposed to…so why didn't it work?

Would having phone hookup with my bf be a sin? Power to Switch

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I'm dating a very good Christian boy who is in a different country from where I am now. While waiting to get married in a few years time, we still need maintain our proximity and so he suggested that we have lovemaking on the phone. I indeed see the need to be intimate since he is no ordinary masculine friend. I've been begging about this suggestion and I was wondering if it's a sin? It's hook-up, whether on the phone or anywhere else. He thinks it only becomes a sin when we have physical contact. What do you think? If it's a sin, what do you suggest we do to keep our relationship intimate while waiting?

Advice: You do well to wonder about what this so-called Christian fellow wants of you in the way of “proximity”! Jesus said that if a man lusts after a woman, he commits adultery in his heart with her. This hookup by phone fits that description–and it will be true of you too. God's Word tells His people, “Keep yourself unspoiled” (1 Timothy Five:22). If you engage in this kind of behavior, there's no way you can keep yourself unspoiled.

You call this fellow “a very good Christian dude”. Well, in view of what he wants he is neither good nor Christian. Basically he wants you to do for him what Internet hookers do for guys! And if you went along with him, you would be defiled and cheapened – and fall away from the Lord.

I'm pleading for you. Look to Jesus, and obey Him, dear!

In His love, Dr. Muriel

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Each spouse answers “I will” making a vow to God before they turn to one another and say something like “I take you to be my lawful and wedded wifey/spouse, and I do promise and covenant, before God and these witnesses, to be your loving and faithful hubby/wifey. ”

So the covenant with and before God strengthens the fucking partners to make a covenant with each other. Marriage is therefore the deepest of human relationships, far more intimate and private than a merely legal, business relationship; it is far more durable, roping, and unconditional than one based on just feelings and affection.

I have but one last thing to say in light of all that I've said before as I consider her statements but they have determined to wait toget married since that is the case I reserve the scripture States marriage should be honored by all and the marriage bed undefiled and that God will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral.therefore what I am stating is this that if you can get married get married if you desire to be with that person and of course or at the adequate age to make such a decision and are ready to make a lifelong commitment. If you still have doubts concerning the relationship and confusion concerning one another if you have not truly gotten to know this person and cannot see yourself is being wholly and solely committed to them then you should refrain from all sexual activity. there's no need to be liberate with your sexualality that would be sexually immoral and sin in the look of God. if you have fallen into temptation and sin repent and seek God for restoration. recall God said that he is married to the backslider if you have backslidden and falling into temptation and sin through the eagerness of your skin seek counsel of God and seek him and acknowledge your sin before him. God loves us and cares deeply for us I think it is good that this dame has brought this out for she is willing to step into the light and it is written he who comes into the light comes into the light that he may display that his works are done in God it also proves and shows right that we should be improved when we come into the light for all of us have sinned and come brief of the glory of God and Jesus said anyone who buys in me shall bring forward fruit and a father should I prune them that they may bring forward more fruit.keep God very first place trust his word and his wisdom he is faithful to his word may God bless all who read read may we all meditate on his truth and that we made no that which is good and pleasing and ideal will of God for our lives individually and corporately as his bod his betrothed his churc in Christ Jesus our lord.

I want to say that if we want to sincerely guide lead correct chastise love and grace demonstrate Grace to persons that are in situations such as these that I think it would be wise to go a little deeper ask more questions and prayerfully give answers through scripture.scripture shows that it is better to marry than to burn with passion. so to directly state that this youthfull man is not a good Christian because he has those passions alive in him and excited in him I think is an unfair statement unless we know a little more about this person. I think much of what US Christians are tending to do is eyeing the evil that is in this world we are becoming callous instead of patient genuinely loving and merciful and kind we have a tendency to leap straight to the evil that might be there when there may be no evil there at all let us be wise and walk in the day even as Christ would have us. is written if you see a man and a fault or sin that lead us not into this you who are spiritual Go and showcase them their fault guarding yourself that you fall not into similar temptation yourself. I think it would have been wise to ask this dear child of God her age how long they been dating why it is they may not be ready to marry at this time with this information we can further make judgement concerning the situation I think it is commendable that she sought out Godly counsel we must guard ourselves knowing that we too have been tempted and that our faith has been attempted.I believe at the good doctor who replied to this woman very first may we examine his treatment and I hope that he she does well to do so recall yourself at a youthful age if it be so that they are youthfull but also recall yourself even now.

just wished to say that I made some typos or errors I hope that you could read past those and my last post one place I said If instead of as and other such grammatical errors and I cannot go back and make the switches I apologize once again

I would like to say that I have had trouble with the subject myself. I met a beautiful lady online and I fell in love with and we both believe that God ordained downright and totally. I say and believe that in accordance with scripture this is in line with the truth. That this is a individual relationship matter inbetween God and the duo and those God relates these matters such as the family members and those who are nearest to the two.mini persons speaking on biblical things I want to put everything in Black and White or should I rather say from a legalistic standpoint.the Holiness is black and white let's look at some circumstances in the Bible the studs of David We Were Soldiers went into the temple and ate the showbread and as it is written they were counted Guiltless. scripture also states do not be overly righteous in any good thing and also not to be overly Wicked. Understanding of that scripture says overly rigorous righteous standings are not necessarily righteous and sometimes you may blur the lines and still be righteous. I'm not telling to commit unrighteous acts with a person. and we are to honor marriage in every aspect in life. for those who have committed themselves to one another and truly believe in their hearts and minds and are committed indeed yet find themselves in a situation we're a physical ceremony cannot take place who is another to judge but God again I say take it to the Lord in prayer I believe it is based upon each individual situation and God ultimately is the judge. as far as a youthfull gentleman being good or bad Christian in truth of the scripture is there any such thing as a bad Christian Jesus himself said make the tree good and the fruit she'll be good also. Youthfull boys make mistakes I do not condone that a man should not consider his ways before the Lord even if scripture says how can a youthful man purify his way by taking heed to the word of God.for you who have judged this man in such a manner I say judge not lest you be judged when the same measure that you judge so shall it be judged unto you. for he who stands in Judgment of another stand in Judgment of the law and there is one judge and one lawgiver and if you stand in Judgment of the law you break the law as it is written God have grace and bring you to repentance.

Actually, it is in the Bible–in so many words. In Matthew 6, Jesus tells us that fervor for someone other than your spouse is the same as adultery, thus cracking the 7th commandment. Have you ever looked at a person with enthusiasm George?

Yes. Of course it's a sin. It says right in the bible about phone lovemaking! Read your bible

to Alan thank you for your react to RG good comment– sharon

Response TO RG…we can be forgiven ONLY if we are sorry for our sins and determine to switch our behavior. God' s grace is not for those who want to play with Him,demonstrating no respect for His commandments.and the 2nd thing is…Jesus said: ” The Father and I are ONE”. And also: ” if you spotted the Son, you spotted the Father”. So, of course they are one.Jesus Himself says that. Observe out, your ideas are those of the Jeovha witnesses who do not consider Christ a true God like the Father and so they are NOT real Christians.

I have been asked this question before from youthful people who either are sexually active or wish to become sexually intimate with one another prior to their wedding ceremony. My response to them is that there is superb significance in the wedding ceremony and the approval of the community to which they belong. Putting aside your physical closeness until your union is officially recognized by society is a valuable process. The time of prep for the wedding is a valuable time to concentrate on your emotional connection and commitment to one another which will be a far stronger uniter than your physical closeness.

Does that reaction your question Teja?

When will god consider a man and woman are married??

I agree with the way Dr. Muriel Larson covers this topic. Yet, since it has been years since this blog embarked; have these two youthfull people not been able to get married yet?

I found it interesting and explanatory what Andrew (July 2011) says: “there is a physical chemical attraction released when any type of hook-up that occurs with phone hook-up, cam hookup, petting and intercourse which feels fine when the act is occurring. The high wears off however and on to the next arousing thing. With people of non-faith and faith there is an breathtaking sense of closeness that occurs when any type of hookup is involved because there is a chemical release which is more powerful than drugs which is why it is dangerous to do this type of lovemaking or any type.”

My feeling is that the sooner they get married the better; and that getting each other sexually thrilled while on the phone is NOT a good thing to do! If this duo is not planning on getting married for several years, they are much better off growing their relationship, getting to know one another better and being friends.

Marriage vows are recorded in heaven, and lovemaking as ordained by God is a very beautiful thing for a married duo, entire having hookup outside of that is asking for trouble. Blessings, Alfred.

Lovemaking via phone is unlikely.

Phone uses electromagnetic pulses only.

If he is your beau or hubby you should talk with each other About ththis.

And eventually, i see you don't have genuine relationship, if you had fair relationship you would ask him,not some random person on the web.

Very first I think it's s beautiful thing that you are striving to live your life by got principles. Afterall, who better than to direct our steps than our designer? Isaiah 48:17,Legitimate. I being a single Christian have struggled with phone lovemaking, I'm 30. Still haven't found the right man- fall in to sin. Do I believe that God keeps account of the injury ? Absolutely not . If he can forgive king David , or Manasseh , he can most certainly forgive you. Jesus died for our sins, we our insulting his father if we think the ransom his father Jehovah gave – Jesus very life wouldn't be big enough to cover our mistakes . Not that we would take advantage of His grace .but the very fact the you care to please your Heavenly Father , I'm very sure heats his heart, and he will help you please him – through ur veritable prayers. On to my next point- that I feel needs to be cleared. Gods name is Jehovah. Yes Jehovah is Jesus father – they are not one . He came down to earth to vindicate his fathers name. He begged to his father . Never once were we told to plead to Jesus . He always directed glory to his father Jehovah. He dreamed his name sanctified. Unluckily , imitation Christians – imposters- came in and eliminated Jehovah's name from the bible some seven thousand times . And substituted it with lord. God. Confusing everyone . Yes we need to give glory to Jesus- but ultimately we are to plead to the creator or heaven and earth. We need to plead and get to know Jehovah. Learn about Him! He exposes through his word the bible – a hope for the future. Psalms 37,11,29 think about the Lord's Prayer . Let your will take place on earth as it is in heaven. His will for the earth is for humans to be ideal and have ever lasting life to see our dead loved ones again, healthy and youthful . No sickness agony or death . Revalation 21:Trio,Four. Jesus pleaded to Jehovah his father so many times in the bible. He wasn't pleading to himself. 🙂

Thank you for both od your responses, as you seek His grace.

1 Corinthians 7

Concerning Married Life

7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” two But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wifey, and each woman with her own spouse. Three The hubby should fulfill his marital duty to his wifey, and likewise the wifey to her spouse. Four The wifey does not have authority over her own bod but yields it to her spouse. In the same way, the hubby does not have authority over his own assets but yields it to his wifey. Five Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Six I say this as a concession, not as a instruction. Seven I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own bounty from God; one has this bounty, another has that.

Ten To the married I give this directive (not I, but the Lord): A wifey must not separate from her spouse. Eleven But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her hubby. And a hubby must not divorce his wifey.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not corded in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. Sixteen How do you know, wifey, whether you will save your spouse? Or, how do you know, spouse, whether you will save your wifey?

Concerning Switch of Status

21 Were you a victim when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can build up your freedom, do so. Twenty two For the one who was a marionette when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s liberated person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s gimp. Twenty three You were bought at a price; do not become gimps of human beings. Twenty four Brothers and sisters, each person, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

Concerning the Unmarried

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is worried about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. Thirty three But a married man is worried about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— thirty four and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or cherry is worried about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be loyal to the Lord in both bod and spirit. But a married woman is worried about the affairs of this world—how she can please her hubby. Thirty five I am telling this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided fidelity to the Lord.

39 A woman is strapped to her hubby as long as he lives. But if her spouse dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. Forty In my judgment, she is more satisfied if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

Excellent to hear back from you! I find myself nodding in agreement with your post. At age 30, I don't think I'm that far beyond your generation, and I undoubtedly agree that I would have been very grateful to receive some good godly advice about my marriage. To know more about the meaning and design of marriage, and the beauty of marriage and hook-up, and God's purposes in sanctifying us, certainly would have been a superb help.

Do you have any particular books or resources that you've found useful?

Grace and peace,

Thank you for your follow-up post. I think Jesus does give us guidance to herd us like sheep. I don't think Jesus's intentions are controlling or evil.

I think life is mild and sometimes there needs to be care taken in providing blanket advice. Some of the advice given earlier in this post included cracking up with the “good fellow,” which I think is best left to the discretion of the youthfull lady in the relationship, and even is an aggressive suggestion without more information. I think it’s pretty honorable that she brought forward this question. The youthful man sounds like he waited for her to a certain degree also, so that she wasn't doing anything she was awkward with.

Is hookup before marriage a sin? Absolutely. But what is the suitable response to that sin? Marriage or separation?

I think our culture encourages my generation to wait for marriage before waiting for hook-up. My thought is that it’s hard to judge a relationship online, but I find it discouraging when the church uses “Christian rhetoric” to severe couples that just need guidance and perhaps some encouragement to get married if there is mutual serious commitment.

Thank you so much for your input. You brought up a strong point when you said, “If he was just a very good stud I would have a different thought, but a very good Christian fellow means to me he is taut with Jesus. I can’t see Jesus asking for phone hookup.”

The way I see it, the Lord gives us rules and the law to guide us, not to restrict us. Like sheep, we are all prone to wander and we will get into trouble! We need our good shepherd to keep us in safe pastures, to care for our needs, which certainly include bodily needs, so we have to wait on Him and trust Him. He will not lead astray, and He will never contradict Himself, so reading the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit is key.

What do you think?

Grace and peace,

I think Christians get way out of touch by reading the letter of the law and not the spirit. And frankly not even the letter sometimes. How many Christians read their Bible's let alone have read it entirely to get the total context to understand the spirit and the letter of what is written to us. Hookup. It's a wonderful thing. I recall reading in the old testimanent that a man was to marry a woman if he seduced her if the father permited. And if the father did not find the youthful man worthy of his daughter he was to pay a fine determined by the father instead. I find that interesting. Ronald Reagan I was told had lovemaking before he got married I don't think he is going to hell. But he married her! And they had a very sweet relationship. One of my beloved quotes from him was written from Camp David while his wifey was in Washington. “I miss you even when I sleep.” It was in a letter to Nancy. And they were married til his death. Not everything is black and white. People get on “righteous” tangents on what you should be doing with your life. I mean honestly you embarked off your post with “a very good Christian dude.” If he was just a very good man. I would have a different thought, but a very good Christian dude means to me he is taut with Jesus. I can't see Jesus asking for phone hookup. On that same note Jesus also didn't get married because of his commitment to live God's word. With that in mind where do you fall. Are you going to marry him? Did you? Are you going to be a nun for Jesus? Most likely not. At the end of the day your salvtion is not on the line. Romans Ten:9-10 you are saved if you believe and confess. Otherwise we are living under the old testemant and aren't truly “children” of God with incoruptable seed. Birth is permanent. None the less you will have to stand before God to be judged for your works. You wont liberate your salvation but you will be rewarded for not for everlasting consequences. I believe Jesus will talk to you if you beg.

We won't edit or delete your comment Max. You are entitled to your own opinions and as long as we can respect one another it's fine to disagree.

I think the significant thing to reminisce is that this gal had specifically asked for advice regarding this relationship with a Christian boy that was asking for this and I would agree that it wouldn't be healthy to have these kinds of phone calls with him. They would only result in physical frustration on both completes of the phone call. When our minds engage in phone hookup our figures go after. Much like looking at pornography, we begin to train our figures to react a certain way which is not necessarily healthy for our relationship as it grows.

So I don't know if this will be deleted or not, but I think that is the worst advice ever. It is utterly unfortunate that you can't get married right now, but if you have made that commitment in your hearts then there's no reason not to engage in phone lovemaking. Marriage happens in your heart and through god before anything else and if you guys have passed that point then I wouldn't let people who are ALREADY MARRIED tell you what you can and can't do. However, there's lots of differing opinions out there and I understand if you determine that it is a sin despite your commitment to each other. But don't throw that commitment away just because he asked for something. Relationships aren't about leaving as soon as something weird happens and everyone is raised in a different environment. As long as he respects any decision you make and doesn't attempt to worm his way into getting you to do it there is NO REASON to leave him. Jesus is understanding and you aim to be understanding too.

I have to agree Emmanuel…as the author says it so well, Intimity of the kind spoken of here should be reserved for married couples.

it is A seen, its is, no dobout on that The Holy Sprities hprove this in every ones heart. The problem with us to day is that we wnat every that we cana call seen to be moere cralified in the Bible, forgrtting that Jesus said the Holy Spirit will instruct us every thing and wil tell us the other thing which are no well know to us.

I want to you that the Holly Spirite and our Consiouce will stand to Judge us becouse we can not deceve ourselves,.

Phone Lovemaking IT IS A sin.

Your logic is severely flawed as according to your thinking as long as the law says it is ok to do it then it is fine to so even if a fairy tail book says it is not right. The question is what happens when the law switches as the morality of people are switching. Very first the law said that to be married you needed to have a certificate, then the law switched to living common law is the same as being married, now it is switching to being married to a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Then it will proceed as the perverse society we live will keep on switching the boundaries. This will not be good enough because the thrill of the same hookup wears off so then we will want to switch the laws to have lovemaking with children and proceed the downward slope. This is what occurred with the Romans as there society collapsed under their perverse ways.

Many secular hook-up psychologists who don't believe in Christ or the Bible say there is a physical chemical attraction released when any type of lovemaking that occurs with phone hook-up, cam hookup, petting and intercourse which feels fine when the act is occurring. The high wears off tho’ and on to the next arousing thing. With people of non faith and faith there is an breathtaking sense of closeness that occurs when any type of hook-up is involved because there is a chemical release which is more powerful than drugs which is why it is dangerous to do this type of hook-up or any type. There is a reason why there is a billion dollar porn hookup industry and recently in an article in an England online newspaper they estimated that 1.Trio million hookup junkies were incapable to break the habit of porn. This resulted in a secular psychologists setting up an online psychologist center to help people break this habit as they do not have to give there names.

Christians mistakenly leave Christ at the door after they get married and after a year of lovemaking they find it not fulfilling any longer as they have forgotten to have Christ in the relationship. Then they lose there way and divorce and turn to the same hookup for physical satisfaction when this is not longer satisfying they find another arousing thing to deprave there perverted mind. Lovemaking is an enormously beautiful thing however our culture and society has perverted it in such a manner that people of faith believe the lies that that the media spreads.

Lovemaking outside of marriage demolishes because the more you have it the more you want it and the tighter it is to get out of the trap as hook-up becomes fervor not love and eagerness wears out. King David had hookup with Bathsheba as he lusted after her, King Solomon had a harem and both lives were demolished. If you don't believe in proven history of these two boys. Most recently Ryan Giggs the famous England soccer player who slept with his brothers wifey before she got married to him got her pregnant and the week before her wedding gave her money for an abortion. The perverse continued as during his marriage he slept with his brothers wifey till and attempted to hide it via a court order till a plucky parliamentary MP exposed the lies and the perverted man that he was. There was much much more that occurred as a secular world knows it is wrong but it commenced with thought life. There are many other stories for others who comment on the blog regarding it is OK take serious look at how hookup demolishes lives and I believe that if you explore the Bible you will agree with the interpretation of the Bible.

In all honesty, theres most likely some fairly good advice on here if your considering stealing or murdering somebody. But sexual desire is natural, do what you feel comfy with and no more provided your inwards the law of course. If your glad to have phone hookup with your bf, crack right on and don't let some quotes from an ancient and frankly third forearm account storybook make you feel guilty!

Jessica, i truly sympathise with your freinds but i will tell you its truly christian and good to wait until marriage, no other way about it, whether physical or wordy. Hookup is reserved for married couples, but one mistake christians make is not to regard it as a Bounty from God, that the engange in it in what they thing is a christian way and thing being explicit is worldly yet they covet for the worldly ways and end up cheating their fucking partners and result in divorces. what i will tell you is, what ever these people sought where ever they went they already had it all in their marriges, free for them to take. We have it gifted to us in the confinement of marriage, what ever satisfaction they sought from extramalital or gay relationships, is already gifted to us in marriage, what i will tell my christian freinds is to stop pretending not to want more and embrace this bounty (as in the book of Solomon)within our marriages and will shall never want, be open with our fucking partners and experiment in the explicit ways we think are worldly and our marriages will be rock solid. this looks like a petite element of marriage but however petite if it fails it wrecks the marriage. Lets trust our father who provides our needs, knows what we want and gives us good and right gifts to meet the needs.

I disagree with this… marriage in the “old days” around one hundred BC was not what it is today. God knows if you truly in your heart love and plan to marry this person. If unspoiled meaning that you are with this person for the rest of your life I think it is flawlessly fine… not to have hookup but to speak of it. Because weddings today are government not God. Making a promise to God to Marry is serious however so do not go into phone lovemaking thinking if you break up you can just beg and stir on. But if it's the one… and you just dont have the money…. or the place to marry that's not marriage in God's eyes.

I don't know that I totally understand this. See, when I was a kid growing up in church, there was always that stigma of “hook-up is only for marriage”…so a fine number of my friends waited until marriage. They didn't date traditionally, but “courted”, which meant sitting next to each other in church, or going on group dates but never truly being alone because they didn't want to tempt themselves.. A good number of them married youthfull, and seemed soooo blessed and sooo in love.

And now they're ALL divorced. Some are very disillusioned; see they thought that if they followed all the rules they have been instructed, everything would work out.

Most of my friends are atheists now, and some later on determined that a homosexual lifestyle would make them more satisfied.

They were doing everything they were supposed to…so why didn't it work?

Would having phone hook-up with my bf be a sin? Power to Switch

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I'm dating a very good Christian dude who is in a different country from where I am now. While waiting to get married in a few years time, we still need maintain our intimity and so he suggested that we have lovemaking on the phone. I indeed see the need to be intimate since he is no ordinary masculine friend. I've been begging about this suggestion and I was wondering if it's a sin? It's lovemaking, whether on the phone or anywhere else. He thinks it only becomes a sin when we have physical contact. What do you think? If it's a sin, what do you suggest we do to keep our relationship intimate while waiting?

Advice: You do well to wonder about what this so-called Christian dude wants of you in the way of “proximity”! Jesus said that if a man lusts after a woman, he commits adultery in his heart with her. This hook-up by phone fits that description–and it will be true of you too. God's Word tells His people, “Keep yourself unspoiled” (1 Timothy Five:22). If you engage in this kind of behavior, there's no way you can keep yourself unspoiled.

You call this boy “a very good Christian fellow”. Well, in view of what he wants he is neither good nor Christian. Basically he wants you to do for him what Internet hookers do for guys! And if you went along with him, you would be defiled and cheapened – and fall away from the Lord.

Closeness of the kind spoken of here should be reserved for married couples. Rather than give you advice on how you can stay “intimate” and together with this man, I indeed think the Lord would have you break off with him and his bad influence entirely. If you know and love the Lord, I believe He would want you to ultimately marry a truly good and decent Christian who is following Him and living His way.

I'm pleading for you. Look to Jesus, and obey Him, dear!

In His love, Dr. Muriel

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Carole, you are so right on with your understanding of the promises you made in your wedding ceremony and I thank you for speaking it out. Tim Keller pointed out that in traditional Christian wedding, each spouse is asked something like “Will you have this woman/man to be your wifey/hubby and promise to live with her/him. and cherish her/him, according to the ordinance of God, in the holy bond of marriage?”

So the covenant with and before God strengthens the playmates to make a covenant with each other. Marriage is therefore the deepest of human relationships, far more intimate and individual than a merely legal, business relationship; it is far more durable, roping, and unconditional than one based on just feelings and affection.

I have but one last thing to say in light of all that I've said before as I consider her statements but they have determined to wait toget married since that is the case I reserve the scripture States marriage should be honored by all and the marriage bed undefiled and that God will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral.therefore what I am stating is this that if you can get married get married if you desire to be with that person and of course or at the adequate age to make such a decision and are ready to make a lifelong commitment. If you still have doubts concerning the relationship and confusion concerning one another if you have not truly gotten to know this person and cannot see yourself is being wholly and solely committed to them then you should refrain from all sexual activity. there's no need to be liberate with your sexualality that would be sexually immoral and sin in the view of God. if you have fallen into temptation and sin repent and seek God for restoration. reminisce God said that he is married to the backslider if you have backslidden and falling into temptation and sin through the fervor of your skin seek counsel of God and seek him and acknowledge your sin before him. God loves us and cares deeply for us I think it is good that this damsel has brought this out for she is willing to step into the light and it is written he who comes into the light comes into the light that he may demonstrate that his works are done in God it also proves and shows right that we should be improved when we come into the light for all of us have sinned and come brief of the glory of God and Jesus said anyone who buys in me shall bring forward fruit and a father should I prune them that they may bring forward more fruit.keep God very first place trust his word and his wisdom he is faithful to his word may God bless all who read read may we all meditate on his truth and that we made no that which is good and pleasing and flawless will of God for our lives individually and corporately as his figure his betrothed his churc in Christ Jesus our lord.

I want to say that if we want to sincerely guide lead correct chastise love and grace showcase Grace to persons that are in situations such as these that I think it would be wise to go a little deeper ask more questions and prayerfully give answers through scripture.scripture shows that it is better to marry than to burn with passion. so to directly state that this youthful man is not a good Christian because he has those passions alive in him and thrilled in him I think is an unfair statement unless we know a little more about this person. I think much of what US Christians are tending to do is watching the evil that is in this world we are becoming callous instead of patient genuinely loving and merciful and kind we have a tendency to leap straight to the evil that might be there when there may be no evil there at all let us be wise and walk in the day even as Christ would have us. is written if you see a man and a fault or sin that lead us not into this you who are spiritual Go and demonstrate them their fault guarding yourself that you fall not into similar temptation yourself. I think it would have been wise to ask this dear child of God her age how long they been dating why it is they may not be ready to marry at this time with this information we can further make judgement concerning the situation I think it is commendable that she sought out Godly counsel we must guard ourselves knowing that we too have been tempted and that our faith has been attempted.I believe at the good doctor who replied to this woman very first may we examine his treatment and I hope that he she does well to do so recall yourself at a youthfull age if it be so that they are youthful but also reminisce yourself even now.

just dreamed to say that I made some typos or errors I hope that you could read past those and my last post one place I said If instead of as and other such grammatical errors and I cannot go back and make the switches I apologize once again

I would like to say that I have had trouble with the subject myself. I met a beautiful lady online and I fell in love with and we both believe that God ordained entirely and totally. I say and believe that in accordance with scripture this is in line with the truth. That this is a individual relationship matter inbetween God and the duo and those God relates these matters such as the family members and those who are nearest to the two.mini persons speaking on biblical things I want to put everything in Black and White or should I rather say from a legalistic standpoint.the Holiness is black and white let's look at some circumstances in the Bible the boys of David We Were Soldiers went into the temple and ate the showbread and as it is written they were counted Guiltless. scripture also states do not be overly righteous in any good thing and also not to be overly Wicked. Understanding of that scripture says overly stringent righteous standings are not necessarily righteous and sometimes you may blur the lines and still be righteous. I'm not telling to commit unrighteous acts with a person. and we are to honor marriage in every aspect in life. for those who have committed themselves to one another and truly believe in their hearts and minds and are committed indeed yet find themselves in a situation we're a physical ceremony cannot take place who is another to judge but God again I say take it to the Lord in prayer I believe it is based upon each individual situation and God ultimately is the judge. as far as a youthful gentleman being good or bad Christian in truth of the scripture is there any such thing as a bad Christian Jesus himself said make the tree good and the fruit she'll be good also. Youthfull dudes make mistakes I do not condone that a man should not consider his ways before the Lord even if scripture says how can a youthful man purify his way by taking heed to the word of God.for you who have judged this man in such a manner I say judge not lest you be judged when the same measure that you judge so shall it be judged unto you. for he who stands in Judgment of another stand in Judgment of the law and there is one judge and one lawgiver and if you stand in Judgment of the law you break the law as it is written God have grace and bring you to repentance.

Actually, it is in the Bible–in so many words. In Matthew 6, Jesus tells us that fervor for someone other than your spouse is the same as adultery, thus violating the 7th commandment. Have you ever looked at a person with passion George?

Yes. Of course it's a sin. It says right in the bible about phone hookup! Read your bible

to Alan thank you for your react to RG good comment– sharon

Reaction TO RG…we can be forgiven ONLY if we are sorry for our sins and determine to switch our behavior. God' s grace is not for those who want to play with Him,showcasing no respect for His commandments.and the 2nd thing is…Jesus said: ” The Father and I are ONE”. And also: ” if you eyed the Son, you eyed the Father”. So, of course they are one.Jesus Himself says that. Observe out, your ideas are those of the Jeovha witnesses who do not consider Christ a true God like the Father and so they are NOT real Christians.

I have been asked this question before from youthful people who either are sexually active or wish to become sexually intimate with one another prior to their wedding ceremony. My response to them is that there is good significance in the wedding ceremony and the approval of the community to which they belong. Putting aside your physical intimity until your union is officially recognized by society is a valuable process. The time of prep for the wedding is a valuable time to concentrate on your emotional connection and commitment to one another which will be a far stronger uniter than your physical proximity.

Does that reaction your question Teja?

When will god consider a man and woman are married??

I agree with the way Dr. Muriel Larson covers this topic. Yet, since it has been years since this blog embarked; have these two youthfull people not been able to get married yet?

I found it interesting and explanatory what Andrew (July 2011) says: “there is a physical chemical attraction released when any type of hook-up that occurs with phone hookup, cam hookup, petting and intercourse which feels fine when the act is occurring. The high wears off tho’ and on to the next titillating thing. With people of non-faith and faith there is an tremendous sense of closeness that occurs when any type of hookup is involved because there is a chemical release which is more powerful than drugs which is why it is dangerous to do this type of hookup or any type.”

Marriage vows are recorded in heaven, and hookup as ordained by God is a very beautiful thing for a married duo, entire having lovemaking outside of that is asking for trouble. Blessings, Alfred.

Lovemaking via phone is unlikely.

Phone uses electromagnetic pulses only.

If he is your beau or spouse you should talk with each other About ththis.

And ultimately, i see you don't have genuine relationship, if you had fair relationship you would ask him,not some random person on the web.

Very first I think it's s beautiful thing that you are striving to live your life by got principles. Afterall, who better than to direct our steps than our designer? Isaiah 48:17,Legitimate. I being a single Christian have struggled with phone hook-up, I'm 30. Still haven't found the right man- fall in to sin. Do I believe that God keeps account of the injury ? Absolutely not . If he can forgive king David , or Manasseh , he can most certainly forgive you. Jesus died for our sins, we our insulting his father if we think the ransom his father Jehovah gave – Jesus very life wouldn't be big enough to cover our mistakes . Not that we would take advantage of His grace .but the very fact the you care to please your Heavenly Father , I'm very sure heats his heart, and he will help you please him – through ur genuine prayers. On to my next point- that I feel needs to be cleared. Gods name is Jehovah. Yes Jehovah is Jesus father – they are not one . He came down to earth to vindicate his fathers name. He begged to his father . Never once were we told to plead to Jesus . He always directed glory to his father Jehovah. He dreamed his name sanctified. Unluckily , imitation Christians – imposters- came in and eliminated Jehovah's name from the bible some seven thousand times . And substituted it with lord. God. Confusing everyone . Yes we need to give glory to Jesus- but ultimately we are to beg to the creator or heaven and earth. We need to beg and get to know Jehovah. Learn about Him! He exposes through his word the bible – a hope for the future. Psalms 37,11,29 think about the Lord's Prayer . Let your will take place on earth as it is in heaven. His will for the earth is for humans to be flawless and have ever lasting life to see our dead loved ones again, healthy and youthful . No sickness agony or death . Revalation 21:Trio,Four. Jesus pleaded to Jehovah his father so many times in the bible. He wasn't asking to himself. 🙂

Thank you for both od your responses, as you seek His grace.

Yes I think by know already that it's not a add in. No man or women us ideal, that's why god died for us.our sins to be forgiven because he knows no one is flawless.and if you truly want as one. Advice call me lets talk about this ok. Call me asap at [it is our policy not to publish individual contact information]

1 Corinthians 7

Concerning Married Life

7 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” two But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wifey, and each woman with her own spouse. Three The spouse should fulfill his marital duty to his wifey, and likewise the wifey to her spouse. Four The wifey does not have authority over her own bod but yields it to her spouse. In the same way, the spouse does not have authority over his own assets but yields it to his wifey. Five Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Six I say this as a concession, not as a instruction. Seven I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own bounty from God; one has this bounty, another has that.

Ten To the married I give this guideline (not I, but the Lord): A wifey must not separate from her spouse. Eleven But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her spouse. And a hubby must not divorce his wifey.

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wifey who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. Thirteen And if a woman has a hubby who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. Fourteen For the unbelieving spouse has been sanctified through his wifey, and the unbelieving wifey has been sanctified through her believing spouse. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not trussed in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. Sixteen How do you know, wifey, whether you will save your hubby? Or, how do you know, spouse, whether you will save your wifey?

Concerning Switch of Status

17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Eighteen Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Nineteen Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s guidelines is what counts. Twenty Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

21 Were you a sub when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can build up your freedom, do so. Twenty two For the one who was a gimp when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s liberated person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s sub. Twenty three You were bought at a price; do not become marionettes of human beings. Twenty four Brothers and sisters, each person, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

Concerning the Unmarried

25 Now about virgins: I have no guideline from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s grace is trustworthy. Twenty six Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. Twenty seven Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wifey. Twenty eight But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a cherry marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29 What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is brief. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; thirty those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are glad, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; thirty one those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is worried about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. Thirty three But a married man is worried about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— thirty four and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or cherry is worried about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be faithful to the Lord in both bod and spirit. But a married woman is worried about the affairs of this world—how she can please her hubby. Thirty five I am telling this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided loyalty to the Lord.

39 A woman is trussed to her spouse as long as he lives. But if her hubby dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. Forty In my judgment, she is more satisfied if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

Do you have any particular books or resources that you've found useful?

Grace and peace,

Thank you for your follow-up post. I think Jesus does give us guidance to herd us like sheep. I don't think Jesus's intentions are controlling or evil.

I think life is mild and sometimes there needs to be care taken in providing blanket advice. Some of the advice given earlier in this post included cracking up with the “good fellow,” which I think is best left to the discretion of the youthfull lady in the relationship, and even is an aggressive suggestion without more information. I think it’s pretty honorable that she brought forward this question. The youthfull man sounds like he waited for her to a certain degree also, so that she wasn't doing anything she was awkward with.

Is hookup before marriage a sin? Absolutely. But what is the suitable response to that sin? Marriage or separation?

Thank you so much for your input. You brought up a strong point when you said, “If he was just a very good dude I would have a different thought, but a very good Christian stud means to me he is taut with Jesus. I can’t see Jesus asking for phone hook-up.”

The way I see it, the Lord gives us rules and the law to guide us, not to restrict us. Like sheep, we are all prone to wander and we will get into trouble! We need our good shepherd to keep us in safe pastures, to care for our needs, which certainly include bodily needs, so we have to wait on Him and trust Him. He will not lead astray, and He will never contradict Himself, so reading the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit is key.

What do you think?

Grace and peace,

I think Christians get way out of touch by reading the letter of the law and not the spirit. And frankly not even the letter sometimes. How many Christians read their Bible's let alone have read it entirely to get the total context to understand the spirit and the letter of what is written to us. Hookup. It's a wonderful thing. I recall reading in the old testimanent that a man was to marry a woman if he seduced her if the father permited. And if the father did not find the youthful man worthy of his daughter he was to pay a fine determined by the father instead. I find that interesting. Ronald Reagan I was told had hookup before he got married I don't think he is going to hell. But he married her! And they had a very sweet relationship. One of my dearest quotes from him was written from Camp David while his wifey was in Washington. “I miss you even when I sleep.” It was in a letter to Nancy. And they were married til his death. Not everything is black and white. People get on “righteous” tangents on what you should be doing with your life. I mean honestly you began off your post with “a very good Christian boy.” If he was just a very good fellow. I would have a different thought, but a very good Christian boy means to me he is taut with Jesus. I can't see Jesus asking for phone hook-up. On that same note Jesus also didn't get married because of his commitment to live God's word. With that in mind where do you fall. Are you going to marry him? Did you? Are you going to be a nun for Jesus? Very likely not. At the end of the day your salvtion is not on the line. Romans Ten:9-10 you are saved if you believe and confess. Otherwise we are living under the old testemant and aren't truly “children” of God with incoruptable seed. Birth is permanent. None the less you will have to stand before God to be judged for your works. You wont liberate your salvation but you will be rewarded for not for everlasting consequences. I believe Jesus will talk to you if you beg.

We won't edit or delete your comment Max. You are entitled to your own opinions and as long as we can respect one another it's fine to disagree.

I think the significant thing to reminisce is that this gal had specifically asked for advice regarding this relationship with a Christian dude that was asking for this and I would agree that it wouldn't be healthy to have these kinds of phone calls with him. They would only result in physical frustration on both finishes of the phone call. When our minds engage in phone hookup our figures go after. Much like looking at pornography, we begin to train our figures to react a certain way which is not necessarily healthy for our relationship as it grows.

So I don't know if this will be deleted or not, but I think that is the worst advice ever. It is utterly unfortunate that you can't get married right now, but if you have made that commitment in your hearts then there's no reason not to engage in phone hookup. Marriage happens in your heart and through god before anything else and if you guys have passed that point then I wouldn't let people who are ALREADY MARRIED tell you what you can and can't do. However, there's lots of differing opinions out there and I understand if you determine that it is a sin despite your commitment to each other. But don't throw that commitment away just because he asked for something. Relationships aren't about leaving as soon as something weird happens and everyone is raised in a different environment. As long as he respects any decision you make and doesn't attempt to worm his way into getting you to do it there is NO REASON to leave him. Jesus is understanding and you aim to be understanding too.

I have to agree Emmanuel…as the author says it so well, Proximity of the kind spoken of here should be reserved for married couples.

it is A seen, its is, no dobout on that The Holy Sprities hprove this in every ones heart. The problem with us to day is that we wnat every that we cana call seen to be moere cralified in the Bible, forgrtting that Jesus said the Holy Spirit will instruct us every thing and wil tell us the other thing which are no well know to us.

I want to you that the Holly Spirite and our Consiouce will stand to Judge us becouse we can not deceve ourselves,.

Phone Hook-up IT IS A sin.

Your logic is severely flawed as according to your thinking as long as the law says it is ok to do it then it is fine to so even if a fairy tail book says it is not right. The question is what happens when the law switches as the morality of people are switching. Very first the law said that to be married you needed to have a certificate, then the law switched to living common law is the same as being married, now it is switching to being married to a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Then it will proceed as the perverse society we live will keep on switching the boundaries. This will not be good enough because the thrill of the same lovemaking wears off so then we will want to switch the laws to have hookup with children and proceed the downward slope. This is what occurred with the Romans as there society collapsed under their perverse ways.

Many secular lovemaking psychologists who don't believe in Christ or the Bible say there is a physical chemical attraction released when any type of lovemaking that occurs with phone hook-up, cam lovemaking, petting and intercourse which feels fine when the act is occurring. The high wears off however and on to the next arousing thing. With people of non faith and faith there is an tremendous sense of closeness that occurs when any type of hook-up is involved because there is a chemical release which is more powerful than drugs which is why it is dangerous to do this type of hookup or any type. There is a reason why there is a billion dollar porn lovemaking industry and recently in an article in an England online newspaper they estimated that 1.Trio million lovemaking junkies were incapable to break the habit of porn. This resulted in a secular psychologists setting up an online psychologist center to help people break this habit as they do not have to give there names.

Christians mistakenly leave Christ at the door after they get married and after a year of hookup they find it not fulfilling any longer as they have forgotten to have Christ in the relationship. Then they lose there way and divorce and turn to the same hookup for physical satisfaction when this is not longer satisfying they find another arousing thing to deprave there perverted mind. Hookup is an enormously beautiful thing however our culture and society has perverted it in such a manner that people of faith believe the lies that that the media spreads.

Hookup outside of marriage demolishes because the more you have it the more you want it and the firmer it is to get out of the trap as lovemaking becomes zeal not love and enthusiasm wears out. King David had hook-up with Bathsheba as he lusted after her, King Solomon had a harem and both lives were ruined. If you don't believe in proven history of these two studs. Most recently Ryan Giggs the famous England soccer player who slept with his brothers wifey before she got married to him got her pregnant and the week before her wedding gave her money for an abortion. The perverse continued as during his marriage he slept with his brothers wifey till and attempted to hide it via a court order till a courageous parliamentary MP exposed the lies and the perverted man that he was. There was much much more that occurred as a secular world knows it is wrong but it commenced with thought life. There are many other stories for others who comment on the blog regarding it is OK take serious look at how hookup ruins lives and I believe that if you examine the Bible you will agree with the interpretation of the Bible.

In all honesty, theres most likely some fairly good advice on here if your considering stealing or murdering somebody. But sexual desire is natural, do what you feel comfy with and no more provided your inwards the law of course. If your blessed to have phone lovemaking with your beau, crack right on and don't let some quotes from an ancient and frankly third forearm account storybook make you feel guilty!

Jessica, i indeed sympathise with your freinds but i will tell you its truly christian and good to wait until marriage, no other way about it, whether physical or wordy. Lovemaking is reserved for married couples, but one mistake christians make is not to regard it as a Bounty from God, that the engange in it in what they thing is a christian way and thing being explicit is worldly yet they covet for the worldly ways and end up cheating their fucking partners and result in divorces. what i will tell you is, what ever these people sought where ever they went they already had it all in their marriges, free for them to take. We have it gifted to us in the confinement of marriage, what ever satisfaction they sought from extramalital or gay relationships, is already gifted to us in marriage, what i will tell my christian freinds is to stop pretending not to want more and embrace this bounty (as in the book of Solomon)within our marriages and will shall never want, be open with our fucking partners and experiment in the explicit ways we think are worldly and our marriages will be rock solid. this looks like a puny element of marriage but however puny if it fails it wrecks the marriage. Lets trust our father who provides our needs, knows what we want and gives us good and right gifts to meet the needs.

I disagree with this… marriage in the “old days” around one hundred BC was not what it is today. God knows if you truly in your heart love and plan to marry this person. If unspoiled meaning that you are with this person for the rest of your life I think it is ideally fine… not to have hookup but to speak of it. Because weddings today are government not God. Making a promise to God to Marry is serious however so do not go into phone hook-up thinking if you break up you can just plead and stir on. But if it's the one… and you just dont have the money…. or the place to marry that's not marriage in God's eyes.

I don't know that I totally understand this. See, when I was a kid growing up in church, there was always that stigma of “lovemaking is only for marriage”…so a excellent number of my friends waited until marriage. They didn't date traditionally, but “courted”, which meant sitting next to each other in church, or going on group dates but never indeed being alone because they didn't want to tempt themselves.. A good number of them married youthful, and seemed soooo glad and sooo in love.

And now they're ALL divorced. Some are very disillusioned; see they thought that if they followed all the rules they have been instructed, everything would work out.

Most of my friends are atheists now, and some later on determined that a homosexual lifestyle would make them more satisfied.

They were doing everything they were supposed to…so why didn't it work?

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